Axel Stenmark
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
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Posted - 2016.03.11 01:18:06 -
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I'm hesitant to post in this topic for the backlash I may receive for my perspective or my colleagues, but I think that most people advocating that yachts are fine as they are have simply not have them used against them yet. Clearly from a PvP perspective yachting is the absolute lowest risk form of content denial. Anyone who is in WH's primarily for PvE may think this is a great option.
I would caution people who think this is good to understand what happens when yachts are used against you to prevent PvE, or something as simple as fueling your POS. A single person with yacht alts can seed your wormhole, and then close any connection that may be beneficial to you. The connection doesn't even need to collapse, going critical can be just as effective. Here's how it works:
Hmm, you play in USTZ? I play in USTZ, nice.
I seed Yachts into your wormhole with a single scanning alt.
You have a connection with sites worth running, assemble the MJD battleships let's PvE.
I see you moving PvE ships out and close or crit the hole behind you. Have fun scanning yourself back.
Gas sites next door?
What door?
Getting good loot from your own WH by itself?
You have a connection to high-sec to take loot out, bring fuel in.
I see you leave for high-sec. Guess what no more connection.
Scanning out a new chain to bring your hauler back in? Nope, I just rolled out your scanner.
Try again. I hope you have more scanners in this wormhole.
Gonna try to wait out the storm? Play in different timezones? Sounds fun and sustainable.
How did those yachts work out for you?
If that sounds unreasonable, understand that this is already happening. As a member of the ~evil WH CFC renter coalition~, I know this is already happening.
It is not possible to remove yachts through market PvP. They have been in game for a year now, with only 2200 losses total. Think of the all of the accounts that received them for free. There are not even enough on market to make a dent in the total population by buying them out. With this rate of attrition the yachts will be in game for decades.
Content denial in any form is bad. I'm not advocating that PvE focused players need to make sacrifices to PvP players. I am advocating that hole control should remain an important part of WH game play with risks and rewards, and yachts have a risk to reward ratio that is drastically skewed.
There really don't need to be any special changes to the yachts to fix them. Just decrease the power grid so they can't fit an over-sized prop mod and the reward is drastically reduced and a slight (~0.2 sec) increase in align time will fix the risk enough. Suddenly you have to use the same yacht five times to get the current effect of one and they are no longer insta-warping to anyone outside of the UK. I'm on the fence about changes to T3's to make rolling with them impractical. They seem to be expensive enough in terms of ISK and SP without the ability to insta-warp to maybe leave unchanged. |